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"The brain is wider than the sky, For, put them side by side,
The one the other will include With ease, and you beside"
-- Emily Dickinson
"We will pursue peace as if there is no terrorism and fight terrorism as if there is no peace."
-- Yitzhak Rabin
"I have thought it my duty to exhibit things as they are, not as they ought to be."
-- Alexander Hamilton
"The stakes are too high for government to be a spectator sport."
-- Barbara Jordan
"Under democracy, one party always devotes its chief energies to
trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule --
and both commonly succeed, and are right."
-- H. L. Mencken
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
-- William Pitt
"The only completely consistent people are the dead."
-- Aldous Huxley
"I have had my solutions for a long time; but I do not yet know how I am to arrive at them."
-- Karl F. Gauss
"Whatever evils either reason or declamation have imputed to extensive empire,
the power of Rome was attended with some beneficial consequences to mankind;
and the same freedom of intercourse which extended the vices, diffused likewise
the improvements of social life."
-- Edward Gibbon
"Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his
expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were
respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom."
-- Edward Gibbon
"There exists in human nature a strong propensity to depreciate the advantages, and to magnify
the evils, of the present times."
-- Edward Gibbon
"Our youth now loves luxuries. They have bad manners, contempt for authority.
They show disrespect for elders and they
love to chatter instead of exercise.
Children are now tyrants, not the servants, of their households. They
no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents,
chatter before company, gobble up their food, and tyrannize
"Before impugning an opponent's motives, even when they legitimately may be impugned, answer his arguments."
-- Sidney Hook
"Idealism, alas, does not protect one from ignorance, dogmatism, and foolishness."
-- Sidney Hook
"Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
"We take, and must continue to take, morally hazardous actions to preserve our civilization.
We must exercise our power. But we ought neither to believe that a nation is capable of perfect
disinterestedness in its exercise, nor become complacent about particular degrees of interest
and passion which corrupt the justice by which the exercise of power is legitimized."
-- Reinhold Niebuhr
"Faced with the choice of all the land without a Jewish state or a Jewish state without all the
land, we chose a Jewish state without all the land."
-- David Ben-Gurion
"...the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence by laying upon him
an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this
or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages
to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right; that it tends also
to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing,
with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess
and conform to it;[...] that the opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction; that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion
and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty....
-- Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, Thomas Jefferson
"We don't live just by ideas. Ideas are part of the mixture of customs and practices,
intuitions and instincts that make human life a conscious activity susceptible to
improvement or debasement. A radical idea may be healthy as a provocation;
a temperate idea may be stultifying. It depends on the circumstances. One of the most
tiresome arguments against ideas is that their 'tendency' is to some dire condition --
to totalitarianism, or to moral relativism, or to a war of all against all."
-- Louis Menand
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their neutrality in times of moral crisis."
-- Dante Alighieri
"He too serves a certain purpose who only stands and cheers."
-- Henry B. Adams
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the
poor to beg in the streets, steal bread, or sleep under a bridge."
-- Anatole France
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
-- Edmund Burke
"Education does not mean that we have become certified experts in business or mining or botany or journalism or epistemology;
it means that through the absorption of the moral, intellectual, and esthetic inheritance of the race we have come to
understand and control ourselves as well as the external world; that we have chosen the best as our associates both in spirit
and the flesh; that we have learned to add courtesy to culture, wisdom to knowledge, and forgiveness to understanding."
-- Will Durant
"Glimpses do ye seem to see of that mortally intolerable truth; that all deep, earnest thinking is
but the intrepid effort of the soul to keep the open independence of her sea; while the wildest
winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore?"
-- Herman Melville
"The most important political office is that of the private citizen."
-- Louis D. Brandeis
"If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable."
-- Louis D. Brandeis
"We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both."
-- Louis D. Brandeis
"It is an error to suppose that books have no influence; it is a slow influence, like flowing water carving out a canyon,
but it tells more and more with every year; and no one can pass an hour a day in the society of sages and heroes without
being lifted up a notch or two by the company he has kept."
-- Will Durant
"When you write, you’re trying to transpose what you’re thinking into something that is less like an annoying drone and more like a piece of music."
-- Louis Menand
"Sex is a continuum."
-- Gore Vidal
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should
make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibit the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to the Baptists of Danbury, Connecticut, 1802.
"The sum of our religion is peace and unanimity, but these can scarcely stand unless we define as little as possible,
and in many things leave one free to follow his own judgment, because there is great obscurity in many matters, and
man suffers from this almost congenital disease that he will not give in when once a controversy is started, and
after he is heated he regards as absolutely true that which he began to sponsor quite casually...."
-- Desiderius Erasmus
"Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold, and what we may buy? And who is thus to dogmatize religious opinions for our citizens? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched? Is a priest to be our inquisitor, or shall a layman, simple as ourselves, set up his reason as the rule of what we are to read, and what we must disbelieve?"
-- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to N. G. Dufief, Philadelphia bookseller, 1814
"We are told that it is only people's objective actions that matter, and their subjective feelings are of no importance. Thus pacifists, by obstructing the war effort,
are 'objectively' aiding the Nazis; and therefore the fact that they may be personally hostile to Fascism is irrelevant. I have been guilty of saying this myself more than once. The same argument is applied to Trotskyism. Trotskyists are often credited, at any rate by Communists, with being active and conscious agents of Hitler; but when you point out the many and obvious reasons why this is unlikely to be true,
the 'objectively' line of talk is brought forward again. To criticize the Soviet Union helps Hitler: therefore 'Trotskyism is Fascism'. And when this has been established, the accusation of conscious treachery is usually repeated.
This is not only dishonest; it also carries a severe penalty with it. If you disregard people's motives, it becomes much harder to foresee their actions."
-- George Orwell, "As I Please," Tribune, 8 December 1944
"Wouldn't this be a great world if insecurity and desperation made us more attractive? If 'needy' were a turn-on?"
-- "Aaron Altman," Broadcast News
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand."
-- Lewis Thomas
"To be ignorant of what happened before you were born is to be ever a child. For what is man's lifetime unless the memory of past events is woven with those of earlier times?"
"Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it."
-- Samuel Johnson, Life Of Johnson
"Very well, what did my critics say in attacking my character? I must read out their affidavit, so to speak, as though they were my legal accusers: Socrates is guilty of criminal meddling, in that he inquires into things below the earth and in the sky, and makes the weaker argument defeat the stronger, and teaches others to follow his example."
-- Socrates, via Plato, The Republic
"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, represents, in the final analysis, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower
"The term, then, is obviously a relative one; my pedantry is your scholarship, his reasonable accuracy, her irreducible minimum of education, & someone else's ignorance."
-- H. W. Fowler
"Rules exist for good reasons, and in any art form the beginner must learn them and understand what they are for, then follow them for quite a while. A visual artist, pianist, dancer, fiction writer, all beginning artists are in the same boat here: learn the rules, understand them, follow them. It's called an apprenticeship. A mediocre artist never stops following the rules, slavishly follows guidelines, and seldom rises above mediocrity. An accomplished artist internalizes the rules to the point where they don't have to be consciously considered. After you've put in the time it takes to learn to swim, you never stop to think: now I move my arm, kick, raise my head, breathe. You just do it. The accomplished artist knows what the rules mean, how to use them, dodge them, ignore them altogether, or break them. This may be a wholly unconscious process of assimilation, one never articulated, but it has taken place."
-- Kate Wilhelm
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed."
-- Albert Einstein
"The decisive moment in human evolution is perpetual."
-- Franz Kafka, Aphorisms
"All of old. Nothing else ever. Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better."
-- Samuel Beckett, Worstward Ho
"First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. And then they attack you and want to burn you. And then they build monuments to you."
-- Nicholas Klein, May, 1919, to the Third Biennial Convention of the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America (misattributed to Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, 1914 & variants).
"Our credulity is a part of the imperfection of our natures. It is inherent in us to desire to generalize, when we ought, on the contrary, to guard ourselves very carefully from this tendency."
-- Napoleon I of France.
"The truth is, men are very hard to know, and yet, not to be deceived, we must judge them by their present actions, but for the present only."
-- Napoleon I of France.
"The barbarous custom of having men beaten who are suspected of having important secrets to reveal must be abolished. It has always been recognized that this way of interrogating men, by putting them to torture, produces nothing worthwhile. The poor wretches say anything that comes into their mind and what they think the interrogator wishes to know."
-- On the subject of torture, in a letter to Louis Alexandre Berthier (11 November 1798), published in Correspondance Napoleon edited by Henri Plon (1861), Vol. V, No. 3606, p. 128
"All living souls welcome whatever they are ready to cope with; all else they ignore, or pronounce to be monstrous and wrong, or deny to be possible."
-- George Santayana, Dialogues in Limbo (1926)
"If you should put even a little on a little, and should do this often, soon this too would become big."
-- Hesiod, Work And Days
"Your Honor, years ago I recognized my kinship with all living beings, and I made up my mind that I was not one bit better than the meanest on earth. I said then, and I say now, that while there is a lower class, I am in it, and while there is a criminal element I am of it, and while there is a soul in prison, I am not free."
-- Eugene V. Debs
"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself."
-- Lois McMaster Bujold, A Civil Campaign
"All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written "al-Qaida," in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies."
-- Osama bin Laden
"Remember, Robin: evil is a pretty bad thing."
Gary Farber is now a licensed Quintuple Super-Sekrit Multi-dimensional Master Pundit.
He does not always refer to himself in the third person.
He is presently single.
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...writer[s] I find myself checking out repeatedly when I'm in the mood to play follow-the-links. They're not all people I agree with all the time, or even most of the time, but I've found them all to be thoughtful writers, and that's the important thing, or should be.
-- Tom Tomorrow
I bow before the shrillitudinousness of Gary Farber, who has been blogging like a fiend.
-- Ted Barlow, Crooked Timber
Favorite.... [...] ...all great stuff. [...] Gary Farber should never be without readers.
I usually read you and Patrick several times a day, and I always get something from them. You've got great links, intellectually honest commentary, and a sense of humor. What's not to like?
-- Ted Barlow
One of my issues with many poli-blogs is the dickhead tone so many bloggers affect to express their sense of righteous indignation. Gary Farber's thoughtful leftie takes on the world stand in sharp contrast with the usual rhetorical bullying. Plus, he likes "Pogo," which clearly attests to his unassaultable good taste.
Jaysus. I saw him do something like this before, on a thread about Israel. It was pretty brutal. It's like watching one of those old WWF wrestlers grab an opponent's
face and grind away until the guy starts crying. I mean that in a nice & admiring way, you know.
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We read you Gary Farber! We read you all the time! Its just that we are lazy with our blogroll. We are so very very lazy. We are always the last ones to the party but we always have snazzy bow ties.
-- Fafnir, Fafblog!
Gary Farber you are a genius of mad scientist proportions. I will bet there are like huge brains growin in jars all over your house.
-- Fafnir, Fafblog!
Gary Farber is the hardest working man in show blog business. He's like a young Gene Hackman blogging with his hair on fire, or something.
-- Belle Waring, John & Belle Have A Blog
Gary Farber only has two blogging modes: not at all, and 20 billion interesting posts a day [...] someone on the interweb whose opinions I can trust....
-- Belle Waring, John & Belle Have A Blog
Isn't Gary a cracking blogger, apropos of nothing in particular?
-- Alison Scott
Gary Farber takes me to task, in a way befitting the gentleman he is.
-- Stephen Green, Vodkapundit
My friend Gary Farber at Amygdala is the sort of liberal for whom I happily give three cheers. [...] Damned incisive blogging....
-- Midwest Conservative Journal
If I ever start a paper, Clueless writes the foreign affairs column, Layne handles the city beat, Welch has the roving-reporter job, Tom Tomorrow runs the comic section (which carries Treacher, of course). MediaMinded runs the slots - that's the type of editor I want as the last line of defense. InstantMan runs the edit page - and you can forget about your Ivins and Wills and Friedmans and Teepens on the edit page - it's all Blair, VodkaP, C. Johnson, Aspara, Farber, Galt, and a dozen other worthies, with Justin 'I am smoking in such a provocative fashion' Raimondo tossed in for balance and comic relief.
Who wouldn't buy that paper? Who wouldn't want to read it? Who wouldn't climb over their mother to be in it?
-- James Lileks
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Larry Propp, Bill Rotsler, Art Saha, Bob Shaw, Martin Smith, Harry Stubbs, Bob Tucker, Harry Warner, Jr., Jack Williamson, Walter A. Willis, Susan Wood, Kate Worley, and Roger Zelazny.
It's just a start, it only gets longer, many are unintentionally left out.
And She of whom I must write someday.
One can be moderate in any number of different respects. One can hold moderate political views. One can be only moderately committed to whatever political views one holds. One can be quite committed to some position, and willing to fight hard for it, but not willing to do literally anything in support of it. No doubt there are lots of other ways to be moderate.
I am never sure whether or not to say that I hold moderate political views. I think of myself that way, but the political spectrum has shifted so far to the right that I think that just be staying put, I have ended up farther to the left than when I started. This implies nothing about either my willingness to fight for those views, or whether I accept limits on what I am willing to do to advance them. In fact, I do accept limits on what I am willing to do to further political goals, limits that I take to be set by morality and my belief that our present political system, for all its flaws, is a lot better than anarchy. But this doesn't imply anything about my willingness to fight hard for what I believe within those limits. In particular, it doesn't follow from my (or anyone else's) being moderate in either my political views or my acceptance of limits on permissible tactics that I am wimpy or half-hearted. (I may be, but that wouldn't be why.)
Tactical Thinking: There is a difference between attending to tactics and being willing to compromise one's core principles in order to win elections. Anyone who cares at all about her political goals should attend to tactics: caring about your goals means wanting them to prevail, and attention to tactics is attention to what course of action will be most likely to help them prevail. This isn't a way of compromising your core values; it's essential to being committed to them.
Being willing to compromise your supposed "core values" in order to win elections shows that the values in question are not what matters most to you. If you're compromising because winning elections is essential to achieving some political goal that matters even more to you than the alleged "core values", then that goal matters more to you than they do. If you just want to win, period, however many goals you have to sacrifice in order to do so, then winning is your core value, and if I have to vote for you to avoid someone even worse, I'll do so while holding my nose.
But inattention to tactics shows that you aren't really committed to your supposed "core values" either. There is no special bonus prize for simply announcing your allegiance to the right side and then proceeding to pay no attention to how to achieve its goals. One might think there is if one thought that there was a real conflict between idealism and realism (outside of foreign relations, where these words have special senses.) Idealism is about having noble ideals: a noble vision of what the world should be like. Realism is about having an accurate view of the way the world is, and of what steps need to be taken if one wants to change it. Realism does not require idealism, but idealism always requires realism, since, again, you do not care enough about your ideals if you pay no attention to how to achieve them.
I want Democrats to be firmly committed to their views, and to be willing to fight for them. I want them to be tactically shrewd, but never to compromise what matters most. I want them to reframe as many issues as possible in ways that allow us to claim whatever is attractive about them for our own. Most of all, I want them to recognize that there is no reason to accept public opinion as it is. It can be changed, but only by people who articulate a consistent and attractive position, and who are genuinely committed to it.
One of the things that bothers me most about a lot of the Democrats in Congress is that they do not seem to be able or willing to do this. We deserve better.
I'd like to say "so say we all." But we don't.
But I do.
There's more: Read The Rest Scale: 4 out of 5. RTWT.
ADDENDUM, 11:30 p.m.: This Timothy Burke piece, which is quite lengthy, strikes me as making some interesting points (that I wouldn't attempt to summarize, save to say that they're about distinctions between liberals and left radicals) worth mentioning in the context of the above; it's possibly a bit of a large mouthful of a post for some, but then, not for others. RTRS: 3 out of 5 as interested.
ADDENDUM: 2/04/06, 12:28 a.m.: Something I neglected to say is that I agree with Tim, agree with Scott Eric Kaufman whom he links to, and disagree with Paul Buhle, one of the founders of "the new SDS," whom Kaufman in turn links to.
I'm pretty much a "liberal," more than not, and distinctly far more than I share many "radical" left views. I hate talking in generalities and labels, since I'm, as we know, very much an issue-by-issue guy, but in the specific context here, I'll declare that, while retaining the right to speak directly to specific issues as preferable, and to reject signing on for a general prix-fix in favor of a la carte.
2/03/2006 12:28:00 PM |permanent link | Main Page | Tweet |
With all respect to Hilzoy, who wouldn't agree with any of this, and why therefore was it written? Who is it you think disagrees, and why?
I mean, I've considered myself a moderate in the past, too, and still do; hardly anyone considers themselves a wild-eyed radical. Like Hilzoy, I feel like the country's right turn has left me on the left-hand edge.
But reading this, I can have the warm feeling she means me calling the Democrats who voted en masse against the filibuster (and then against Alito for the CYA value) "Vichy Democrats", because I want people articulating a consistent, attractive position, and because I'm not "accepting public opinion as it is." Meanwhile, you can have the warm feeling she means you for feeling you're paying closer attention to how to achieve goals, and getting another Salazar in the next election, for whatever that's worth.
So with all great respect to the author, I think this post of Hilzoy's is nice, but it's not very illuminating.
I guess I think strenuously pursuing "moderation" is not a badge of wisdom per se anymore. In today's political climate, it is on its way to becoming a badge of dangerous indecision. As a country, I think we don't need more Salazars or Chafees right now. We need more Feingolds, Kennedys, Deans and Durbins -- the Durbin who leads filibusters, that is, not the one who snivels an apology on the Senate floor for telling the truth. If getting one of those in one part of the country costs you a Salazar in the West, fine. After all, so what: it's just a Salazar -- an empty suit who could actually cooperate with getting Alito to the Supreme Court.
"With all respect to Hilzoy, who wouldn't agree with any of this, and why therefore was it written?"
I guess I wasn't clear that "RTWT" means "read the whole thing," and that "Read The Rest Scale: 4 out of 5" is an emphatic recommendation that you read the whole thing, which answers your question.
I'd also recommend reading the comments of everyone. The ones from me naturally elaborate on my views.
"If getting one of those in one part of the country costs you a Salazar in the West, fine."
Again, great of you to wish to deprive us Coloradans of our first Democratic Senator since, depending upon how you look at it, either Gary Hart in 1987, or Ben Nighthorse Campbell since he switched parties. Unsurprisingly, I only regard Hart as a real Democrat.
"After all, so what: it's just a Salazar -- an empty suit who could actually cooperate with getting Alito to the Supreme Court."
Thomas, if you actually gave me reason to think that you were even vaguely expert on, or even familiar with, the political situation and history in Colorado, that would be one thing, although it still wouldn't be the same as having to live with the results. But since you've not yet given me reason to think that you do have such expertise or even awareness, I can't take your indifference to our political situation here as founded in any concern for the people of Colorado or the Colorado Democratic Party. I can't say that I greatly respect that approach.
Another way of putting this is that you, unfortunately, tentatively give me the impression that either a) you don't know what you're talking about as regards Colorado and the Colorado Democratic Party; and/or b) you don't give a damn, which you yourself keep repeating.
That this is precisely the main problem the Democratic Party has historically had in the West, and why we've had such a record of loss and difficulty in these states -- the arrogance of people in the BosWash corridor proclaiming their outright indifference to local conditions and situations and issues in the West, and issuing instructions as to how we should go against our own interests, thus leading to overwhelmingly passionate resentment, bordering on outright hatred, of East Coast and Beltway politicians and that political class would be ironic, if not so sad.
Want to win the Presidency? We can do it with electoral votes from the west.
But only if people, in this case Democratic people, in the East would stop destroying that strong possibility with your arrogance and indifference. Sorry, but that's the overwhelming problem we face. I wish you'd give some consideration to this. I hope you will, and that we can discuss it calmly.
"After all, so what: it's just a Salazar -- an empty suit who could actually cooperate with getting Alito to the Supreme Court."
Ken Salazar (I'm sure it's escaped your attention that John Salazar, his brother, was also elected as a first-term Congressman in this past election; why pay attention to Colorado politics, after all? It's not as if our delegation actually votes for the House Majority Leader, so why give a damn?) voted against Alito, wrote editorials against him, and repeatedly spoke against him. He didn't vote for a futile and pointless filibuster whose best result could only be symbolic. If you don't like that, my recommendation is that you don't vote for him in the next election here.
Oh, and feel free to tell me who Ken Salazar defeated and what his record was, without Googling, but just off the top of your head.
This is no different, it seems to me, from the people who supported Nader in 2000, explaining there would be no real difference between Gore and Bush, since they're just the same thing.
Which is to say, complete detachment from reality.
Thomas: I was commenting on an argument at Hullaballoo, which happened when Tristero wrote something about moderation, linking to a post at Mahablog that said we should ditch the baggage of the new left, and got jumped on by people who seemed to equate moderation with indecision or lukewarmness or wimpyness. I didn't really want to engage the new left part of the post -- I hate generalizing like that -- but was annoyed by the equation I mentioned, since I am in some ways moderate, and in others not.
Gary, I freely admit that Colorado politics is a black box to me. The output, however, is not: 1)Salazar, 2)yes on Alito cloture, 3) Alito. His no on Alito in the final vote is meaningless next to the cloture vote. The filibuster, on the other hand, was only as meaningless as people like Salazar allowed it to be.
Your Nader analogy fails, I think, in that in this case there really was no effective difference between Salazar and a Republican alternative.
Re "butt out of CO politics" to paraphrase: rarely do I butt in. But a) this was national politics, and b) CO politicians are happy enough to solicit $ from out of state when/if they can get it. Salazar won't be getting any of mine if I can help it.
I truly regret if any or all of that comes across as arrogant or indifferent; I think of it as results-oriented. I didn't like the results. I see your point re presidential politics, but SCOTUS politics is equally important.