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to corrupt the principles of that very religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing,
with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments, those who will externally profess
and conform to it; that though indeed these are criminals who do not withstand such
temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way; that the
opinions of men are not the object of civil government, nor under its jurisdiction;
that to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion
and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their
ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy, which at once destroys all religious liberty,
because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of
judgment, and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square
with or differ from his own; that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil
government for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts
against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if
left to herself; that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has
nothing to fear from the conflict unless by human interposition disarmed of her
natural weapons, free argument and debate; errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is
permitted freely to contradict them.
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intuitions and instincts that make human life a conscious activity susceptible to
improvement or debasement. A radical idea may be healthy as a provocation;
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tiresome arguments against ideas is that their "tendency" is to some dire condition --
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winds of heaven and earth conspire to cast her on the treacherous, slavish shore?"
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the 'objectively' line of talk is brought forward again. To criticize the Soviet Union helps Hitler: therefore 'Trotskyism is Fascism'. And when this has been established, the accusation of conscious treachery is usually repeated.
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If your idea of making an insightful point is to make fun of people's
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...Darn: I saw that Gary had commented on this thread, and thought: oh. my. god. Perfect storm. Unstoppable cannonball, immovable object.
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Guessing that Gary is ignorant of anything that has ever been written down is, in my experience, unwise.
Just saying.
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Where would the blogosphere be without the Guardian? Guardian fish-barreling is now a venerable tradition. Yet even within this tradition, I don't believe there has ever been a more extensive and thorough essay than this one, from Gary Farber's fine blog. Gary appears to have examined every single thing that Guardian/Observer columnist Mary Ridell has ever written. He ties it all together, reaches inevitable conclusion. An archive can be a weapon.
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BLUE IN THE FACE. I tend to write lots of my stuff in comments on other blogs (particularly here), both because I feel more relaxed doing so, and because, frankly, that's often the only way to get more then ten people to see it, and lastly, because I enjoy conversing, and there's not so much of that around here.
But I've been frustrated for weeks now (December 20th, to be precise, which is several Internet months ago, of course) that not one, single, solitary, soul in the blogosphere has linked to any of the following posts, or, so far as I can tell, read them. This is on the NSA multiplex data-mining pattern analysis/switch-compromising/FISA story, of course.
So to say what I've said on other blogs, and with apologies for cannibalizing myself (if this reads awkwardly, it's because of that): please read these, and consider linking, or at least just following the points made. Save me from flinging myself out the window if I see one more lefty talk about "wiretapping," as if we were in the 1940s, or talking about the primitive tech of the FBI, circa 1965. Thanks.
Frustration here, but for god's sakes, people, *PLEASE* read the answer to your goddamned question in the linked article there. Okay, fine, I'll append relevant text to the bottom of this post.
As I've said elsewhere, many many many times now, in varying words, since December 20th, in answer to the endless mantra of "but why couldn't they just get FISA warrants?": bottom line: if you're doing a multiplexdata-mining pattern analysis on tens of thousands or more people, shifting by possibly tens of thousands of people per day, or more, you can't get warrants. It's not humanly possible.
Which, as I keep explaining, only makes the threat exponentially larger than most non-tech oriented left/lib/progressives seem to understand, with this antediluvian focus on "wiretaps" and "why can't you get a FISA warrant?" That's a question that was entirely sensible when we all asked it last month. It's long been answered and answered and answered and answered.
It's far greater reason for Congress to get the truth out, and possibly impeach, then simple wire-tapping. It's as if people kept decrying the threat of TNT when we're talking about the fact that the fusion bomb has been invented and put to use.
Background on some of the history and technology behind the ECHELON precursor to this: see Duncan Campbell's 2000 summary of his 1999 report to the EU Parliament. Or a FAS selection of pieces from circa 1999, but going back to 1996. Final EU Echelon report here.
Also: The point I'm trying to emphasize is that datamining is vastly more threatening to our privacy and liberties, by many orders of magnitude, than mere wire-tapping is.
The most alarming part is the total-information data-mining (or so it appears to be; we know very little as yet; but it's the mostly likely thing).
Data-mining, for those unfamiliar with it, simply put, collecting every available bit of information about you, public and that which comes up via investigation of others, accurate or inaccurate, putting it all in a massive file about you updated on a constant real-time basis, and then integrating that into a massive data-matrix that shows all perceived links between you and other people and enterprises, and then analyzes that, and then washes, rinses, and repeats, non-stop.
The second most frightening thing going on here is the revealed colloborative relationships with, apparently, all the major U.S. telecommunications providers, which has involved direct tapping into the "switches" through which all traffic flows (other than completely independent systems, which I won't detail, and only know a little about, anyway). Repeat: all (relatively and simply put) traffic.
Surely I shouldn't have to over-emphasis just how vastly more potentially totalitarian even this is, let alone the Total Information data-mining it's a part of, then mere wire-tapping. Even if they had been slapping on 5,000, or hell, 50,000, new individual taps a day (not that that would be humanly possible, of course), it would be relatively trivial compared to just how massively, wholly, totalitarian these two vastly more important issues are.
Trying to get people to understand this is not an attempt to minimize the issue. It's to point out how completely anyone instead talking just about "wiretaps" is fricking minimizing the issues at stake here.
People have to learn how datamining threatens them.
I'd like to point out that, in essense, some of the technology and practice in use here been going on since the first INTELSATs in the 1960s. What was previously forbidden was a) theoretically, U.S. targeted recording of domestic U.S. traffic without a warrant, and b) using such SIGINT in court, but b) was irrelevant, because SIGINT wasn't previously connected to the criminal justice system save in extremely rare counter-intel cases, and then with a warrant.
The problem has erupted into the open because of the "tearing down" of that famous wall of separation between the criminal justice system and the intelligence system, with the PATRIOT ACT (which nonetheless did not, so far as I can tell, authorize any of these measures). There was a reason that was there, and it wasn't because Jamie Gorelick is an ass.
Of course, it's impossible for us civilians to as yet have more than clues and bits and pieces as to what precisely is going on, which is why courageous and exhaustive Congressional hearings are a must, no matter that they, yes, must balance the genuine need for security with a necessary airing of sufficient information for a democratic society to decide, as always, where the current line balancing security and liberty must be drawn. This has been done in the past, can be done now, and must always be done in the future, if our Republic is to stand.
So say we all.
There's more, there's always so very much more.
Read The Rest Scale: 5 out of 5.
As promised, from December 24th, when, I suppose, some of you have an excuse for not reading:
It was collected by tapping directly into some of the American telecommunication system's main arteries, they said.
As part of the program approved by President Bush for domestic surveillance without warrants, the N.S.A. has gained the cooperation of American telecommunications companies to obtain backdoor access to streams of domestic and international communications, the officials said.
[...]
"There was a lot of discussion about the switches" in conversations with the court, a Justice Department official said, referring to the gateways through which much of the communications traffic flows. "You're talking about access to such a vast amount of communications, and the question was, How do you minimize something that's on a switch that's carrying such large volumes of traffic? The court was very, very concerned about that."
[...]
What has not been publicly acknowledged is that N.S.A. technicians, besides actually eavesdropping on specific conversations, have combed through large volumes of phone and Internet traffic in search of patterns that might point to terrorism suspects. Some officials describe the program as a large data-mining operation.
[...]
Officials in the government and the telecommunications industry who have knowledge of parts of the program say the N.S.A. has sought to analyze communications patterns to glean clues from details like who is calling whom, how long a phone call lasts and what time of day it is made, and the origins and destinations of phone calls and e-mail messages. Calls to and from Afghanistan, for instance, are known to have been of particular interest to the N.S.A. since the Sept. 11 attacks, the officials said.
This so-called "pattern analysis" on calls within the United States would, in many circumstances, require a court warrant if the government wanted to trace who calls whom.
The use of similar data-mining operations by the Bush administration in other contexts has raised strong objections, most notably in connection with the Total Information Awareness system, developed by the Pentagon for tracking terror suspects, and the Department of Homeland Security's Capps program for screening airline passengers. Both programs were ultimately scrapped after public outcries over possible threats to privacy and civil liberties.
A former technology manager at a major telecommunications company said that since the Sept. 11 attacks, the leading companies in the industry have been storing information on calling patterns and giving it to the federal government to aid in tracking possible terrorists.
"All that data is mined with the cooperation of the government and shared with them, and since 9/11, there's been much more active involvement in that area," said the former manager, a telecommunications expert who did not want his name or that of his former company used because of concern about revealing trade secrets.
Such information often proves just as valuable to the government as eavesdropping on the calls themselves, the former manager said.
"If they get content, that's useful to them too, but the real plum is going to be the transaction data and the traffic analysis," he said. "Massive amounts of traffic analysis information - who is calling whom, who is in Osama Bin Laden's circle of family and friends - is used to identify lines of communication that are then given closer scrutiny."
Several officials said that after President Bush's order authorizing the N.S.A. program, senior government officials arranged with officials of some of the nation's largest telecommunications companies to gain access to switches that act as gateways at the borders between the United States' communications networks and international networks. The identities of the corporations involved could not be determined.
The switches are some of the main arteries for moving voice and some Internet traffic into and out of the United States, and, with the globalization of the telecommunications industry in recent years, many international-to-international calls are also routed through such American switches.
One outside expert on communications privacy who previously worked at the N.S.A. said that to exploit its technological capabilities, the American government had in the last few years been quietly encouraging the telecommunications industry to increase the amount of international traffic that is routed through American-based switches.
[...]
The growth of that transit traffic had become a major issue for the intelligence community, officials say, because it had not been fully addressed by 1970's-era laws and regulations governing the N.S.A. Now that foreign calls were being routed through switches on American soil, some judges and law enforcement officials regarded eavesdropping on those calls as a possible violation of those decades-old restrictions, including the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which requires court-approved warrants for domestic surveillance.
Historically, the American intelligence community has had close relationships with many communications and computer firms and related technical industries. But the N.S.A.'s backdoor access to major telecommunications switches on American soil with the cooperation of major corporations represents a significant expansion of the agency's operational capability, according to current and former government officials.
Phil Karn, a computer engineer and technology expert at a major West Coast telecommunications company, said access to such switches would be significant. "If the government is gaining access to the switches like this, what you're really talking about is the capability of an enormous vacuum operation to sweep up data," he said.
And. This. Is. Why. You. Can't. Get. A. Warrant.
ADDENDUM: Since I've said most of what I've had to say about this issue on other blogs, oddly enough, as I explained at the start, I didn't wind up writing this as any sort of comprehensive post on my thoughts, sad to say. Of course, I'll be continuing to follow this topic closely as events develop, so check back in days and weeks and months to come.
Meanwhile, two points by me I'm lifting up from comments on this post: One is that we'l want to discuss the David Brin option for approaches to loss of privacy, but gaining transparency, which I've discussed elsewhere at various times, and will inevitably be bringing up here Real Soon Now in a future post. But there's your page to get started on.
The other: before anyone points it out, I should add that the cases I've been drawing in this and the linked posts and elsewhere are more or less "worst case" scenarios. I'm not actually maintaining that the NSA is currently running open files on everyone in the United States, or sifting through everyone's phone calls, just now. My point is, instead: they might be. We don't know. We know they're running programs of this nature, but the scale is, as yet, not out in the open. The essential capacity for total vacuuming exists.
So my take is that we need to assume the worst, and demand investigation and facts, and then, I hope, we'll be able to truly grasp just what the actual extent of ongoing programs in the U.S. have been. If it's less than I fear is the worst case, no one will be happier than me.
Well, okay, people with more to hide might be happier. And clowns. Clowns are always happier. In fact, I'm sure I'll find some other reason to be unhappy. But you take my point, because you're a smart person.
Meanwhile, if you can find the time to read the Church Report I linked to here, you'd have known about Project Shamrock, silly, which is just another, quite early, step for the NSA. (See here, here, and here, but see also the rest of the links.)
I'm extremely, extremely, pleased to see you comment here, D.
My memory is unreliable, but I certainly don't recall another time. I very much hope it won't be the last. I'd like to be in touch. (You are not the only person I've not heard from in years of whom I would say that.)
The Komitet Gosudarstvenno? Bezopasnosti and Geheime Staatspolizei were, of course, heroic defenders of the state and protectors of the people, silly.
Alternatively, they were bad guys, not like our state instruments. Our state instruments are always good guys!
(Except for those who always only see them as bad guys. Turns out it's not actually simple. But you know I think like that.)
Please don't be a stranger. Really. At least: I hope you won't be. Feel free to e-mail, or whatever.
I don't think there's any putting this genie back in the bottle, anymore than we can return to an era of personal privacy post-income tax, or post-Internet. Data-mining is going to happen, and if it's challenged in court it's going to be held to be legal. The question's already been asked-and-answered in cases like the early ones about rader speed traps and later, photo radar &tc.
It seems to me that the answer to our future personal security is not security-by-obscurity, which is what privacy advocates are advocating; any IT security guy will tell you that such is illusory or temporary at best. No, we need to move in the other direction: get everything the government does out in the open. They can have 24x7x365 monitoring of us if we have the same for them.
This is, of course, the David Brin option, which I've discussed elsewhere at various times, and will inevitably be bringing up here Real Soon Now in a future post.
Before anyone points it out, I should add that the cases I've been drawing in this and the linked posts and elsewhere are more or less "worst case" scenarios. I'm not actually maintaining that the NSA is running open files on everyone in the United States. My point is, instead: they might be. We don't know. We know they're running programs of this nature, but the scale is, as yet, not out in the open.
So my take is that we need to assume the worst, and demand investigation and facts, and then, I hope, we'll be able to truly grasp just what the actual extent of ongoing programs in the U.S. have been. If it's less than I fear is the worst case, no one will be happier than me.
Interesting thoughts on this issue. I have been trying to collect good blog posts on the subject at THIS post over on my legal blog. I was informed of your thoughtful posts on the matter by Pooh and am very glad to have found your thoughts. I'm adding you to my growing repository of good blog posts on the subject right now.
Good post. I wonder if they are extracting from the raw feed based on preset patterns and storing the results, or if they are storing the raw data to analyze over time.
The latter would be significantly more useful from their standpoint, since they could apply new patterns to past data, and equally more troubling from a privacy and civil liberties standpoint.
If they have a four year accumulation, it might explain why the President seems so willing to go to the mat for this.
BTW, Crooks and Liars has linked to you, which is how I got here.
Save me from flinging myself out the window if I see one more lefty talk about "wiretapping," as if we were in the 1940s, or talking about the primitive tech of the FBI, circa 1965. Thanks.
Yeah, i herd they got saucer shaped sound collectors now, like the one the guy with the wire to his ear is pointing at me all day and following me around.
Enough kidding, congrats on C and L!
You want links?
I sure am glad, myself, that the NYT published that leak so I realized to be more carefull, if you know, well, you know!
(Completely love your site, got here from Pharyngula)
I left this comment on my site in response to your excellent comments: Gary, Thank you for your thoughtful and clear comments. I linked to your post because I was impressed with your excellent explication of what data mining, echelon, etc, consist of. I would suggest that while I agree with you on the potential danger of such secret spying on Americans as is possible with TIA (and was pleased when Poindexter's program was shot down), I think you underestimate the much more acute danger of Islamic terror. The relative dangers of Islamic terrorism versus a government run TIA type of program is definitely worth a future post (or many). If you write such a post from your point of view, I will definitely link to it as part of the discussion.
I read your response moments after you posted it, ShrinkWrapped, and I wrote a lengthy response.
Your software erased it, and told me I needed to register, although I am, in fact, quite registered with Typepad. Going back, of course, didn't work.
I then tried again several more times.
Too bad your software is broken. (Not just yours; Typepad in general seems to be doing this of late; it's not you, it's Typepad.)
I'm only sorry I didn't copy what I wrote before futilely engaging with Typepad, about which I should have known better; my bad, there. But I'm not going to rewrite the same thing for a fourth time. Not this morning, anyway.
Gary, I almost dare not provoke your wrath, but I think you are conflating two different things here. The "data-mining" that is going on is examing traffic patterns, I believe, not collecting a whole bunch of personal info on people. So the NSA might be looking at the types of patterns that presage a terrorist attack and then comparing that to behavior of people they might be watching.
